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Comments on: What About Men’s Rights? http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/03/08/what-about-mens-rights/ I'm not crazy! I'm going sane in a crazy world! Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:06:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 By: Jeff M. http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/03/08/what-about-mens-rights/#comment-6174 Jeff M. Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:35:01 +0000 http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/03/08/what-about-mens-rights/#comment-6174 I believe that if a woman has a choice of getting rid of an unwanted child then why the father can’t have the same choice. I truly believe that the courts are for the woman only and could care less what the man wants or feel Lets face the facts here. The will give women what ever they wish because they are afraid if they don’t then it is DISCRIMINATION. That card has been played way too much by women and I think the days of Bra burning and refusing to stay at home and take care of the kids is over. Hey, if the women have the right to vote, work, choose what happens with her body, then give her this one also, make her a single parent if the man don’t want the child. She has the means to work now, you can choose if she wants the child, then if she wants it let her have it and don’t PUNISH the man for not wanting it. And for god sake don’t force the man to be a father if he don’t want to be. We wouldn’t force the women to be a mother if she didn’t want to be. Now would we? Jeff M. -Bay City, Michigan I believe that if a woman has a choice of getting rid of an unwanted child then why the father can’t have the same choice. I truly believe that the courts are for the woman only and could care less what the man wants or feel Lets face the facts here. The will give women what ever they wish because they are afraid if they don’t then it is DISCRIMINATION. That card has been played way too much by women and I think the days of Bra burning and refusing to stay at home and take care of the kids is over. Hey, if the women have the right to vote, work, choose what happens with her body, then give her this one also, make her a single parent if the man don’t want the child. She has the means to work now, you can choose if she wants the child, then if she wants it let her have it and don’t PUNISH the man for not wanting it. And for god sake don’t force the man to be a father if he don’t want to be. We wouldn’t force the women to be a mother if she didn’t want to be. Now would we?

Jeff M. -Bay City, Michigan

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By: Barbara H. http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/03/08/what-about-mens-rights/#comment-6055 Barbara H. Fri, 10 Mar 2006 12:27:39 +0000 http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/03/08/what-about-mens-rights/#comment-6055 <blockquote>He was lied to. Why should he have to pay for the sins of others?</blockquote> The fact that he was lied to doesn't negate his sin of fornication. He thought he could sin and get away with it. The fact that he was sinned against, which led him to think he could commit his sin without consequence, doesn't erase his responsibility. And he may not have been lied to -- his girlfriend may have thought she could not get pregnant. I've known couples who had trouble conceiving, got tested, were told they could never have kids, then a few years later, voila, they get pregnant not once but a few times. Several years ago a family member was pregnant out of wedlock and planning to place the child for adoption, and I really wrestled with whether she was abdicating <i>her</i> responsibility by doing so. She didn't ask my advice, but I just wrestled with the concept in my own heart. Where I do think father's rights are violated is when the woman can have an abortion or raise a child without the father ever knowing he did father a child. I think with adoption you do have to get the father's consent. I suppose the woman gets the say, in the courts, because she is the one who would bear the child and likely raise it. But I think the attitude of both should be not, how can I get out of this responsibility, but the attitude of taking responsibility.

He was lied to. Why should he have to pay for the sins of others?

The fact that he was lied to doesn’t negate his sin of fornication. He thought he could sin and get away with it. The fact that he was sinned against, which led him to think he could commit his sin without consequence, doesn’t erase his responsibility. And he may not have been lied to — his girlfriend may have thought she could not get pregnant. I’ve known couples who had trouble conceiving, got tested, were told they could never have kids, then a few years later, voila, they get pregnant not once but a few times.

Several years ago a family member was pregnant out of wedlock and planning to place the child for adoption, and I really wrestled with whether she was abdicating her responsibility by doing so. She didn’t ask my advice, but I just wrestled with the concept in my own heart.

Where I do think father’s rights are violated is when the woman can have an abortion or raise a child without the father ever knowing he did father a child. I think with adoption you do have to get the father’s consent.

I suppose the woman gets the say, in the courts, because she is the one who would bear the child and likely raise it. But I think the attitude of both should be not, how can I get out of this responsibility, but the attitude of taking responsibility.

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By: Blog Jones http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/03/08/what-about-mens-rights/#comment-6053 Blog Jones Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:56:44 +0000 http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/03/08/what-about-mens-rights/#comment-6053 Cory, in most cases I would agree with you. But what about in cases of deception, like Dubay and the commenter Fred above? In Dubay's case, he was assured repeatedly that the woman could not become pregnant due to a medical condition. He was <i>lied to</i>. Why should he have to pay for the sins of others? Also, should I assume that you are opposed to adoption programs? Cory, in most cases I would agree with you. But what about in cases of deception, like Dubay and the commenter Fred above? In Dubay’s case, he was assured repeatedly that the woman could not become pregnant due to a medical condition.

He was lied to. Why should he have to pay for the sins of others?

Also, should I assume that you are opposed to adoption programs?

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By: cory http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/03/08/what-about-mens-rights/#comment-6052 cory Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:36:14 +0000 http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/03/08/what-about-mens-rights/#comment-6052 The man, boy, Dubay says he has no choice in the matter. Some of the comments will say they did not have a choice in the pregnancy either. HEY BUDDY THIS IS YOUR WAKE UP CALL. You had a choice and you chose to have sex. If you did not have sex you would not be in this position. I have no compassion for the people who can not control their own actions. My 2 year old does the same things. BE A MAN and step up and take responsibility for your actions. Grow up control yourself and your actions. THE ONLY PERSON TO BLAME IS YOU. I will let you know, HAVING SEX MAY LEAD TO PREGNANCY. The man, boy, Dubay says he has no choice in the matter. Some of the comments will say they did not have a choice in the pregnancy either. HEY BUDDY THIS IS YOUR WAKE UP CALL. You had a choice and you chose to have sex. If you did not have sex you would not be in this position. I have no compassion for the people who can not control their own actions. My 2 year old does the same things. BE A MAN and step up and take responsibility for your actions. Grow up control yourself and your actions. THE ONLY PERSON TO BLAME IS YOU. I will let you know, HAVING SEX MAY LEAD TO PREGNANCY.

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By: Fred http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/03/08/what-about-mens-rights/#comment-6050 Fred Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:38:21 +0000 http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/03/08/what-about-mens-rights/#comment-6050 I was duped into marrying a woman who was already married to another man. I unknowingly fathered a child in a bigamist triangle. Her husband is a 28 count felon, she was arrested in two countries as a criminal. I thought I was having sex with my new wife, but no it was with a married woman. I am kept from my son with restraining orders against me for crimes I have not committed. Yet I pay child support God Bless NY State! I was duped into marrying a woman who was already married to another man. I unknowingly fathered
a child in a bigamist triangle. Her husband is a 28 count felon, she was arrested in two countries as
a criminal. I thought I was having sex with my new wife, but no it was with a married woman. I am
kept from my son with restraining orders against me for crimes I have not committed.

Yet I pay child support God Bless NY State!

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By: Fred http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/03/08/what-about-mens-rights/#comment-6047 Fred Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:35:51 +0000 http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/03/08/what-about-mens-rights/#comment-6047 Absolutely we need to show support for this man! I was lured into a marriage with a woman who was marrried to another man! Although I was duped into getting this woman pregnant NY has ruled that I must pay child support even though I never intened to have a child with a married woman!!! If bigamy, and duped pregnancy are allowed to be ruled against men what rights do we have??? Absolutely we need to show support for this man! I was lured into a marriage with a woman who was
marrried to another man! Although I was duped into getting this woman pregnant NY has ruled that I must
pay child support even though I never intened to have a child with a married woman!!!

If bigamy, and duped pregnancy are allowed to be ruled against men what rights do we have???

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By: JaQuann http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/03/08/what-about-mens-rights/#comment-6036 JaQuann Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:53:58 +0000 http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/03/08/what-about-mens-rights/#comment-6036 In the situation you're suggesting, the man does get a say; however, the woman vetoes it. In the situation you’re suggesting, the man does get a say; however, the woman vetoes it.

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By: Blog Jones http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/03/08/what-about-mens-rights/#comment-6033 Blog Jones Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:25:57 +0000 http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/03/08/what-about-mens-rights/#comment-6033 Well, yes, of course. That's the ideal. But what happens when the man wants to, for whatever reason, give the child up for adoption and the woman does not? Shouldn't the man get some say in the matter? Well, yes, of course. That’s the ideal.

But what happens when the man wants to, for whatever reason, give the child up for adoption and the woman does not? Shouldn’t the man get some say in the matter?

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By: Barbara H. http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/03/08/what-about-mens-rights/#comment-6032 Barbara H. Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:36:44 +0000 http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/03/08/what-about-mens-rights/#comment-6032 The better response would be for <i>both</i> the man and the woman to take responsibility for the child they produced. The better response would be for both the man and the woman to take responsibility for the child they produced.

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