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	<title>Comments on: Bush Vetoes Embryonic Stem Cell Research Bill</title>
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		<title>By: Barbara H.</title>
		<link>http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/07/20/every-day-i-find-new-reasons-to-be-ashamed-of-voting-for-bush/#comment-18031</link>
		<author>Barbara H.</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are not dead. They are on death row, perhaps, but they are not dead. They are very much alive. That's what makes it wrong to kill them. It would be like saying a bunch a death row prisoners are going to die anyway, so let's use their bodies now for scientific research while they are still profitable.

One of the solutions to the "leftover" embryo problem is not to make so many of them in the first place. A couple shouldn't have any more made than what they are planning to use. As I understand it, it is a time-consuming and expensive process with a high failure rate, so they make a bunch at once in hopes that one or two will "take." 

But that doesn't help the "extras" that are already made and stored. Yet it is still wrong to take those lives and use them for scientific purposes -- or to throw them away, IMO. 

There are agencies who "adopt" these embryos. That's where the children who were with Bush yesterday came from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are not dead. They are on death row, perhaps, but they are not dead. They are very much alive. That&#8217;s what makes it wrong to kill them. It would be like saying a bunch a death row prisoners are going to die anyway, so let&#8217;s use their bodies now for scientific research while they are still profitable.</p>
<p>One of the solutions to the &#8220;leftover&#8221; embryo problem is not to make so many of them in the first place. A couple shouldn&#8217;t have any more made than what they are planning to use. As I understand it, it is a time-consuming and expensive process with a high failure rate, so they make a bunch at once in hopes that one or two will &#8220;take.&#8221; </p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t help the &#8220;extras&#8221; that are already made and stored. Yet it is still wrong to take those lives and use them for scientific purposes &#8212; or to throw them away, IMO. </p>
<p>There are agencies who &#8220;adopt&#8221; these embryos. That&#8217;s where the children who were with Bush yesterday came from.</p>
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		<title>By: Blog Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/07/20/every-day-i-find-new-reasons-to-be-ashamed-of-voting-for-bush/#comment-18027</link>
		<author>Blog Jones</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You can’t believe that life begins at conception and be for embryonic stem cell use. It doesn’t matter that the embryos are ‘leftover” and “would be thrown away anyway.” That’s not right, but it doesn’t make it all right to harvest them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not true; that's exactly the position I am taking. These embyros are dead already. Assuming that the parents do not use them, they will never be brought to term. They are essentially stillborn. 

It's the moral equivalent of performing scientific research on a dead body, in my opinion. Do you see where I'm coming from?

&lt;blockquote&gt;BTW, he did not wait six years to issue a veto -- he vetoed a bill that the Senate voted on just this week.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What I meant was that this is his first veto ever. He didn't veto any of the bad laws that were passed during the first five years of his administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You can’t believe that life begins at conception and be for embryonic stem cell use. It doesn’t matter that the embryos are ‘leftover” and “would be thrown away anyway.” That’s not right, but it doesn’t make it all right to harvest them.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not true; that&#8217;s exactly the position I am taking. These embyros are dead already. Assuming that the parents do not use them, they will never be brought to term. They are essentially stillborn. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the moral equivalent of performing scientific research on a dead body, in my opinion. Do you see where I&#8217;m coming from?</p>
<blockquote><p>BTW, he did not wait six years to issue a veto &#8212; he vetoed a bill that the Senate voted on just this week.</p></blockquote>
<p>What I meant was that this is his first veto ever. He didn&#8217;t veto any of the bad laws that were passed during the first five years of his administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara H.</title>
		<link>http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/07/20/every-day-i-find-new-reasons-to-be-ashamed-of-voting-for-bush/#comment-18025</link>
		<author>Barbara H.</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blogjones.com/WordPress/2006/07/20/every-day-i-find-new-reasons-to-be-ashamed-of-voting-for-bush/#comment-18025</guid>
		<description>I'm shocked to see this here.

I was never more proud of Bush than this moment: "He explained his decision at a White House ceremony surrounded by 18 families who "adopted" frozen embryos that were not used by other couples, and then used those leftover embryos to have children

'Each of these children was still adopted while still an embryo and has been blessed with a chance to grow, to grow up in a loving family. These boys and girls are not spare parts,' he said." (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/19/politics/main1818040.shtml)

You can't believe that life begins at conception and be for embryonic stem cell use. It doesn't matter that the embryos are 'leftover" and "would be thrown away anyway." That's not right, but it doesn't make it all right to harvest them.

And I say that as one with an illness which could benefit from stem cell usage. That doesn't make me very popular with others with the same illness.

Besides, there has been very promising research on adult stem cell usage. Why not pursue &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; and leave out the controversy?

BTW, he did not wait six years to issue a veto -- he vetoed a bill that the Senate voted on just this week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m shocked to see this here.</p>
<p>I was never more proud of Bush than this moment: &#8220;He explained his decision at a White House ceremony surrounded by 18 families who &#8220;adopted&#8221; frozen embryos that were not used by other couples, and then used those leftover embryos to have children</p>
<p>&#8216;Each of these children was still adopted while still an embryo and has been blessed with a chance to grow, to grow up in a loving family. These boys and girls are not spare parts,&#8217; he said.&#8221; (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/19/politics/main1818040.shtml)</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t believe that life begins at conception and be for embryonic stem cell use. It doesn&#8217;t matter that the embryos are &#8216;leftover&#8221; and &#8220;would be thrown away anyway.&#8221; That&#8217;s not right, but it doesn&#8217;t make it all right to harvest them.</p>
<p>And I say that as one with an illness which could benefit from stem cell usage. That doesn&#8217;t make me very popular with others with the same illness.</p>
<p>Besides, there has been very promising research on adult stem cell usage. Why not pursue <em>that</em> and leave out the controversy?</p>
<p>BTW, he did not wait six years to issue a veto &#8212; he vetoed a bill that the Senate voted on just this week.</p>
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